BackGround: Preston Temple, Preston, England.
Joseph was born 15 September 1804 in Rodborough, Gloucestershire, England, and Christened 6 October 1804 in the Calvanistic Methodist Church in Rodborough. He is the son of Joseph FISHER and Sarah DALBY. He married about 1827 in Glorstershire England, Esther GURNER or EVANS, the daughrer of William GURNER and Esther EDGELOE or EGGELO. She was born about 1805 in Stroud, Gloucestershire, England, and died before 1851, in Stroud, Gloucestershire, England. She is called Esther EVANS in the birth/christening record of their oldest daughter, Emily Ann, in Rodborough, Calvenistic Methodist Church, Gloucestershire, England, but is metioned in the willl of her Father William GURNER in 1837 wife of Joseph FISHER, tailor, also the death record of her son Joseph Gurner FISHER states his mother is Esther GURNER.
Joseph Norris Married second about 1853 Mary E. HALL the daughter of Perez HALL Jr. and Ruth HICKS, She was born 8 November 1830 in Bloomfield, Ontario, New York and died 20 April 1910 (age 79y, 6m, 12d) in Grand Rapids, Kent, Michigan. and had three more children by her which answers the question of the relationships of Charles D; Chauncy H; and Leo P. H. they are the half brothers to the other children. He died 1892/3 in Grand Rapids, Kent, Michigan.
The Note gives a list of Names of relitaves and the leter gives a pedigree sketch on the Fisher Family. States that Joseph G has a brother Chauncy H. I can find no record of him in England . they also mention no wifes name for Joseph G. but mention his children Mrs. Wenifred FULLER/TULLER; Mrs Cora DOLEN; and Frank Joseph and wife Augusta V.; Also Leo and Alfred W. and his daughter Faith. all of Grand Rapids Michigan. with no specific reference as to how these last three mentioned are related
Information garnered from Grand Rapids, Kent, Michigan, give more information and give us a better picture of the relationship of all the individuals mentioned in the above note and letter also Information from Two Rivers, Manitowoc, Wisconsin where Joseph Norris and his son Joseph Gurner ended up after emigrating to the US from Gloucestershire England. Also his son William A. came over sometime between 1850 and 1860. Both Joseph G. and William A fought in the Civil War and after the War William Alfred started going by Alfred W. or Alfred William which answers the relationship of the Alfred W. mentioned in the note above.
The 1900 census states that Joseph Gurner FISHER came to this country in 1847. So this is also the same time that Joseph Norris came here because they probably came here together after his wife Esther GURNER died back in England.
Stroud or Stroudwater is 30 miles from Bristol, 14 from Cheltenham and nine from Gloucester City. It was the centre of the clothing trade in 1830, with mills every few hundred yards on every river. In the census of 1821 the parish had 7,097 inhabitants.
RANK / NAME OCCUPATION ADDRESS. FISHER Joseph Tailor London Road, Stroud
1790 Census Taunton, Bristol Massachusetts Page 620
Perez Hall [Sr]
Males: 16 and Over 1
Males: Under 16 1
Females Total 5
1800 Census Taunton, Bristol, Massachusetts Page 364
Wid. Zilpha HALL
Under 10; 10 to 16; 16 to 26; 26 to 45; 45 & Up
Males: -------- 1 -------- -------- -------
Females: -------- 1 3 -------- 1
1810 Census Taunton, Bristol, Massachusetts Page 387
Perez HALL [Jr] and his mother Zilpha DEAN
Under 10; 10 to 16; 16 to 26; 26 to 45; 45 & Up
Males: -------- -------- 1 -------- -------
Females: -------- -------- -------- -------- 1
1820 Census Index HALL PEREZ Groton Tompkins County NY 032
Note Peretz in index but links to a page to
New Paltz in Ulster county instead of
correct page in Tompkins County. at ancestry.com
1830 Census Bloomfield, Ontario, New York Page 146
Perez HALL [Jr]
Under 5; 5 to 10 10 to 15; 15 to 20; 30 to 40; 40 to 50
Males: 1 1 -------- 1 -------- 1
Females: 1 1 1 -------- 1 --------
Note Prez index but obviously Perez in Census.
1841 Census Stroud, Gloucestershire, England,
Age County
Name M |F Occupation Born
FISHER Joseph 35| Tailor Gloucester.
" Esther |35 ------------ Gloucester.
" Emilie Anne |12 Scholar Gloucester.
" Joseph 10| Scholar Gloucester.
" Eliza | 7 ------------ Gloucester.
" Elizabeth | 2 ------------ Gloucester.
" William 3m| ------------ Gloucester.
FISHER Joseph 60| Cloth Worker Gloucester.
SMITH Caroline |15 F. T. Gloucester.
1850 Census Index HALL Mary E. Two Rivers Manitowoc County WI Page 13.
Real Estate Where
Name Age Sex Occupation Value Born
Wm HARROT 34 M Clergyman $---,--- Ireland
Sarah O. " 31 F ---------- $---------- Mass.
Mary E. HALL 19 F ---------- $---------- N. Y. +-
1850 Census Two Rivers Twp., Manitowoc, Wisconsin Page 11.
Real Estate Where
Name Age Sex Occupation Value Born
Joseph N. FISHER 41 M Tailor $ 0,350 -----
Joseph G. FISHER 18 M Fisherman ----------- -----
W. WRIGHT 17 M ---------- ----------- -----
Edward KRUMPRIZAL 17 M ---------- ----------- -----
1851 Cheltenham, Gloucester, England
Marr Rank / Parish in which
Name Relation Stat age Occupation Born
POWELL Richard Head M 24 Draper & Silk Mercer Newent
" Emily Wife M 21 Prof of Music Stroudwater
" Blanche Daughter U 2 ---------- Cheltenham
" Walter Son U 10m ---------- Cheltenham
HUMPHRIES Maria Servant U 21 Servent Cheltenham
FRANKIS Eliza Lodger U 22 School Mistress Cheltenham
1851 Stroud, Gloucester, England
Marr Rank / Parish in which
Name Relation Stat age Occupation Born
GILLMAN William Head M 47 Brewers Cerk Rodborough
" Eliza Wife M 37 ---------- Stroud
" William Son U 11 ---------- Stroud
" Thomas Son U 10 ---------- Stroud
" Elizabeth Daughter U 8 ---------- Stroud
" Alfred Son U 7 ---------- Stroud
" Salina Daughter U 6 ---------- Stroud
" Emely Daughter U 4 ---------- Stroud
" Robert Son U 2 ---------- Stroud
GURNER Esther M in Law Wd 83 ---------- Bisley
FISHER Eliza Niece U 17 ---------- Stroud
Note: This would make Eliza GILLMAN the sister of Esther (GURNER) FISHER
the mother of Eliza FISHER.
1851 Rodborough, Gloucester, England
Marr Rank / Parish in which
Name Relation Stat Age Occupation Born
NORRIS Joseph Head M 36 Assist Draper Rodborough
" Ann Wife M 39 ---------- Stroud
" Hester Mother Wd 59 Cloth Worker Randwick
FISHER Elizabeth Niece U 11 Scholar Stroud
1851 Census Rodborough, Gloucester, England
Marr Rank / Parish in which
Name Relation Stat Age Occupation Born
FISHER Joseph Head Wdr 71 Cloth Worker Uley
" William G Son U 10 Scholar Stroud
1855 Census of Two Rivers Twp., Manitowoc, Wisconsin.
Name Page #.
FISHER, J. N. 27.
FISHER, JOSEPH 28.
1860 Census Index HALL PHILANDER Lima Rock County WI 428
1860 Census Index HALL PHILANDER Poygan Winnebago County WI 878
1870 Census FISHER Joseph G. Grand Rapids Ward 2, Kent, Michigan. Page 280
Real Estate Personal Where
Name Age Sex Race Occupation Value Value Born
FISHER Joseph G. 38 M W Engineer $ 1,500 $ 0,300 England
" Harriet F. 35 F W Keep House ----------- -------- Pennsylvania
" Ralph W. 13 M W At School ----------- -------- Wisconsin
" Cora 10 F W At School ----------- -------- Wisconsin
" Frank 6 M W At School ----------- -------- Wisconsin
" Carrie S. 4 F W ---------- ----------- -------- Wisconsin
" Joseph N. 62 M W Book Keepe $ 3,500 $ 0,600 England
" Mary E. 40 F W Keep House ----------- -------- New York
" Charles D. 15 M W At School ----------- -------- Wisconsin
" Chauncy H. 13 M W At School ----------- -------- Wisconsin
" Leo P. H. 11 M W At School ----------- -------- Wisconsin
1880 Census Grand Rapids, Kent, Michigan Page 424 C.
Mar | Place of Birth |
Name Race Sex Age Relat Sta Occupation |Self Father Mother|
Joseph N. FISHER W M 73 Self M Keeping Books Eng. Eng. Eng.
Mary E. " W F 49 Wife M Keeping House N. Y. Mass. Mass.
Leopold " W M 21 Son S Store Clrk Wisc. Eng. N. Y.
Emma DRESSANDER W F 15 Dau S At School Mich. Eng. N. Y.
1880 Census Chicago, Cook, Illinois, Page 572.
Mar | Place of Birth |
Name Race Sex Age Relat Sta Occupation |Self Father Mother|
HOUSE Rufus M. W M 45 ----- S Telephone Office Mich. N. Y. N. Y.
" Emily A. W F 43 Wife --- Music Teacher Eng. Eng. Eng.
POWELL Walter W M 28 S Son S Music Teacher Eng. Eng. Eng.
FORREST James A. W M 38 ----- --- Clerk in Drygoods Canada Canada Canada
" Blanche W F 29 Wife --- At Leasure Eng. Eng. Eng.
FISHER Eliza W F 40 Aunt --- Milliner Eng. Eng. Eng.
Note Emily A is Emily Ann FISHER daughter of Joseph and Esther FISHER and Eliza is
her sister. I cannot tell if she is Eliza or Elizabeth because of the age given.
Eliza is age 7 in 1841 and 17 in 1851 English census. Elizabeth age 2 in 1841 and
age 11 in 1851 the only other places I find these girls in any records.
Blanch is Blanch POWELL sister of Walter and Step Daughter of Rufus HOUSE
My great Grandmother RF.
1900 Census Grand Rapids, Kent, Michigan Ed 81 Sheet 1 line 84.
Mon. Year Mar Yrs | Place of Birth |
Name Relat R Sex Born Born Age Sta Mar |Self Father Mother| Occupation
FISHER Chauncey H. Head W M Jun 1857 42 M 10 Wisc. Eng. N. Y. Stationary
Engineer
" Winefred Wife W F Mar 1865 35 M 10 Mich. Ire. Ire. ----------
" Mary E. Moth W F Nov 1832 69 Wd --- N. Y. Mass. Mass. ----------
DE HAMM Anna Serv W F Jun 1879 20 S --- Mich. Neth. Neth. Servant
Winefred Mother of 1and 0 Living
Mary E. Mother of 4 and 3 Living
Peris (or Perez ? ) HALL (M) [Sr.]
Birth: 11 Jan 1748/49 -- Taunton, Bristol, Massachusetts.
Birth: 21 Aug 1750 " " "
Death: 8 Oct 1792 -- Taunton; Bristol; Massachusetts.
Note:
Peris, a farmer and a captain of a coasting vessel,
resided on a portion of the ancestral estate on Dean Street
and was a member of the first church.
Parents: Joseph HALL, Mary ANDREWS
Marriage: About 1778
Spouse: Zilpha DEAN
Birth: 1753
Death: 9 Jun 1830 Taunton, Bristol, Massachusetts.
CHILDREN:
1. Zilpha HALL b: 9 Aug 1780; Taunton, Bristol, Massachusetts.
2. Mary HALL b: 21 May 1783; Taunton, Bristol, Massachusetts.
3. Abigail HALL b: 1785; Taunton, Bristol, Massachusetts.
4. Christiana HALL b: 1787; Taunton, Bristol, Massachusetts.
5. Peris HALL b: 1 Nov 1788; Taunton, Bristol, Massachusetts.
Peris (or Perez ? ) Hall (M) [Jr.]
Birth: 1 Nov 1788 -- Taunton; Bristol; Massachusetts
Death: 1847 -- Clear Creek; Chautauqua; New York
Spouse: , Ruth Hicks
Parents: Peris (or Perez ? ) Hall, Zilpha Dean
Note Ruth was a sister to Rev. Galen Hicks of Taunton
HALL, Perez, Taunton. Matross, Capt. Samuel Fales's (Taunton) co. of matrosses, Col. G. Williams's regt., Gen. G. Godfrey's brigade; service, 31 days, on the alarm at Rhode Island of Dec. 8, 1776; mileage to Slade's Ferry in Swanzey and home (32 miles) also allowed; also, Private, Capt. Joshua Wilbore's co., Col. John Hathaway's regt.; service, 23 days, at Rhode Island; company drafted from Taunton, Raynham, and Easton, in April, 1777; also, Capt. Edward Blake's co.; service, 32 days; company marched from Taunton to Rhode Island Sept. 29, 1777, under command of Col. George Williams on a secret expedition, and was discharged Oct. 29, 1777, by Gen. Spencer; also, Capt. Jonathan Shaw's co., Col. John Daggett's regt.; enlisted Aug. 21, 1778; discharged Sept. 1, 1778; service, 12 days, at Rhode Island.
HALL, Perez
Spouse: Ruth HICKS
Marriage Date: Mar. 4, 1813
Marriage Place: Taunton
Source: Vital Records of Taunton
Perez HALL and Ruth HICKS, both of T., Mar. 4, 1813, in Taunton
Was organized in the year 1848...
Another short interim followed his resignation lasting until the arrival of Rev. George W. Thompson, in August 1853, he coming from Cincinnati to take up the work. At this time a mission was maintained at Robinson’s settlement and the local church included thirty-three communicants. His ministry, however, was short for in 1854, while nursing cholera patients he fell ill of the dread disease and died on October 14th, his body being interred at Evergreen. After two months he was succeeded by Rev. Melancthon Hoyt, who had heen in Wisconsin as a missionary since the early forties. A man of great energy he soon had the church in a very satisfactory condition and in the next year Bishop Kemper confirmed a class of eleven at Manitowoc and four at Two Rivers. At the latter place there had been organized St. Paul’s Congregation and the cornerstone of a church was laid on September 3, 1856. The first officers of the church were William Aldrich, senior warden; J. N. Fisher, junior warden; L. S. House, J. Teele and M. McDonald, vestrymen and services were held every Sunday afternoon. At Manitowoc the worshippers at St. James soon paid off the $500 debts still outstanding and additions were made to their structure at a considerable cost. During Rev. Hoyt’s ministry the communicants increased to forty-three and the Sunday school remained prosperous. In the latter part of 1858 he resigned, continuing his labors in other fields for many years, finally removing to Dakota Territory. In April 1859 Rev. W. H. Cooper was sent to Manitowoc and remained until the following March, when he renioved to Waukegan, Ill. He, also, officiated at Two Rivers, where the church had been completed, so as to seat three hundred persons, the last of the debt incurred in its construction being paid off some four years later.
FISHER, William A., Nov. 18, 1861 FISHER, Joseph G., Nov. 18, 1861 HOUSE, Lemuel S., Nov. 8, 1861 HOUSE, R. Murray, Nov. 18, 1861
R Murray House
Residence: Two Rivers, Wisconsin Occupation:
Service Record:
Enlisted as a Sergeant on 18 November 1861
Enlisted in Company F, 15th Infantry Regiment Wisconsin
on 18 November 1861
Received a disability discharge on 24 July 1862.
Sources:
Roster of Wisconsin Volunteers: War of the Rebellion.
(WIRoster) Published in 1886
Business Location Location (Relationsiip to
Name Name Occupation 1 2 City State Year Joseph N RF)
w s Charles
Alfred W ins agent 2 n of Grand MI 1889 Son by
FISHER Wealthy avenue Rapids first wife
Charles T trav agent boards 462 Grand MI 1889 Son by
FISHER Ottawa Rapids second wife
Chauncy H boiler boards 462 Grand MI 1889 Son by
FISHER insp. Ottawa Rapids second wife
Miss Emma boards 462 Grand MI 1889 Daughter ?
A FISHER Ottawa Rapids
Frank J Postoffice letter boards 470 Grand MI 1889 Grand Son
FISHER carrier Ottawa Rapids
McCord & boards rear
Joseph G artist 470 Ottawa Grand MI 1889 Son by
FISHER Rapids first wife
Joseph N 462 Ottawa Grand MI 1889 Self
FISHER Rapids
Leo P H H Leonard's boards 462 Grand MI 1889 Son by
FISHER Sons & Co. Ottawa Rapids second wife
Ralph W Nelson, carver 56 North Grand MI 1889 Grand Son
FISHER Matter & Co avenue Rapids
Alfred W New England gluer 116 Charles Grand MI 1890 repeat
FISHER Furn Co. Rapids of above
McCord &
Chauncey H Bradfield engr boards 462 Grand MI 1890
FISHER Furn Co. Ottawa Rapids
Frank J Postoffice letter boards 470 Grand MI 1890
FISHER carrier Ottawa Rapids
Joseph G artist 470 Ottawa Grand MI 1890
FISHER Rapids
Joseph N 462 Ottawa Grand MI 1890
FISHER Rapids
Leo P H H Leonard's boards 462 Grand MI 1890
FISHER Sons & Co. Ottawa Rapids
Charles H;
Frank E; Crockery,
Frederick H H Leonard's Glassware and 29 and 31 Grand MI 1890
LEONARD; Leo Sons & Co Silverware Monroe Rapids
P H FISHER
Ralph W Nelson, carver 56 North Grand MI 1890
FISHER Matter & Co avenue Rapids
FISHER Alfred W, clk N Y Tea Co, res 107 Charles.
FISHER Chauncey H, eng McCord and Bradfield, res 464 Ottawa.
FISHER Esther L, music teacher, bds 107 Charles
FISHER Frank J, carrier Postoffice, res 324 N. Ionia
FISHER Geroge A, clk, bds 107 Charles
FISHER Joseph G, artist, res 472 Ottawa
FISHER Joseph N, res 464 Ottawa
FISHER Leo P H, (H Leonard's Sons & Co.), bds 464 Ottawa
FISHER Ralph W, carver Nelson, Matter & Co, res 56 North Ave.
Valley City Cemetery -- "F"
Now the southern section of Oak Hill Cemetery.
FISHER, Eulalia Pearl
d. of E. S. and C. H.; d. Sept. 11, 1882; a. 8m. 26d.
FISHER, Eulalia S.
w. of Chauncey H.; d. Dec. 27, 1881; a. 20y. 6m. 29d.
FISHER, Flora R. WARD
w. of Chas. D.; b. Apr. 24, 1858; d. Nov. 20, 1884;
on lot with F. L., Tryphena C., and Carrie E. R. WARD;
also Edw. F. ROBINSON; also Hattie S. and Edgar E. WILLIAMS.
FISHER, Joseph Norris.
b. 1802; d. 1893; on lot with Mary E. H., Flora R., E. P. and Eulalia S
Fisher, Mary E. Hall
b. 1830; d. 1910
(Wife of Joseph Norris RF)
Mary E. Fisher
died April 20, 1910
female, white, widow
age 79y, 6m, 12d
born New York
parents Philander HALL and Ruth HICKS
CHILDREN of Joseph Norris FISHER and Esther (GURNER or EVANS):
+ 1. EMILIE ANN b: 12 May 1829; Stroud, Gloucestershire, England.
bap: 5 Jul 1829; Calvanistic Metohdist, Rodborough,
Gloucestershire, England.
md: 15 Aug 1846; Saint Nicholas, Gloucester,
Gloucestershire, England.
Richard POWELL.
md: ; Chicago, Cook, Illinois.
Rufus M. HOUSE.
d: 28 Mar 1885; Chicago, Cook, Illinois.
+ 2. JOSEPH GURNER b: Abt 1832; Rodborough, Gloucestershire,
England.
md: ; , , Wisconsin?
Harriet F. WILLIAMS
d: 1916; Grand Rapids, Kent, Michigan.
3. ELIZA b: Abt 1834; Rodborough, Gloucestershire,
England.
4. ELIZABETH b: Abt 1939; Stroud, Gloucestershire, England.
+ 5. WILLIAM ALFRED b: 1841; Stroud, Gloucestershire, England.
md: 25 Oct 1866; , Jackson, Michigan
Sarah Jennie HUBBARD
d: Bef 25 Mar 1896; Grand Rapids, Kent, Michigan.
Date Jennie S filed for
widdow's pension.
CHILDREN of Joseph Norris FISHER and Mary Elizabeth HALL:
+ 6. CHARLES D. b: 25 Sep 1855; Two Rivers, Manitowoc, Wisconsin.
md: 24 Nov 1878; Grand Rapids, Kent, Michigan.
Florance Roselyn WARD.
+ 7. CHAUNCY H. b: Abt 1857; Two Rivers, Manitowoc, Wisconsin.
md: ; , , Michigan.
Eulalia Sallie SCHULER
md: ; , , .
Winfred ??
8. LEOPOLD PEREZ HALL b: Abt 1859; , , Wisconsin.
9. EMMA A. b: Abt 1865; , , Michigan.
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